The Jesus Conversations Podcast

This podcast episode features Dennis and Arnold discussing what it means to truly be alive through Jesus. Arnold shared about his upcoming move from Southern California to Naples, Florida, where his family has relocated, including his grandchild. The conversation centered on John 5:19-21, where Jesus describes how he brings "vivifying" life to people, meaning to awaken and energize them in ways they've never experienced before. Arnold explained how knowing Christ has brought him joy, peace, and a sense of purpose beyond his previous life, describing it as living "on God's agenda" rather than his own. They discussed how this relationship minimizes worry and fear, bringing a natural sense of serving and giving to others. The conversation explored how living this way makes people more alive and vibrant, bringing a sense of wonder and adventure to daily life.

 

NOTES

John 5:21

Vivifying - from the Greek egayro - awaken literally and figuratively (basis of our English word energize) 

 

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The first thing people want in the midst of pain and suffering is to find relief or escape. Our Christian teaching has been to trust God that He will provide the answer. But what if He doesn't? What if He wants to reveal something about Himself IN the pain? In this episode, Dennis shares with the other men what He has learned about God's nature and heart through an experience of physical pain.

 

Notes

Wayne Jacobsen post on Lifestream "Finding Him Inside Your Pain"

https://www.lifestream.org/find-him-inside-your-pain/?mc_cid=74725c7179&mc_eid=b0f3b7e085

 

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Have you encountered Christian friends who deliberately or unknowingly speak hate to other people? How can that be? What causes professing believers in Christ to be derogatory or outright judgemental? Could it be a theological perspective lurking in the background? Listen as our group discusses the reasons believers unintentionally fall into this attitude.

 

Notes

The Jesus Conversation Podcast 12-24-25 "If you have seen Me..." | The Jesus Conversations Podcast

My Disturbing Relationship with Righteousness | Lifestream | Wayne Jacobsen

EW Kenyon:

STOP Assuming You Know Jesus! The Hidden Dimensions of Christ Every Believer Must Experience -Kenyon

 

 

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Most of us who grew up in the Christian faith viewed God as "cranky" in the Old Testament. He is seen as judgmental and vengeful against evil people. In the New Testament, He changes to a "nice guy" with love and forgiveness. Is that true?

Our discussion in this episode focuses on what Jesus meant when He said God had given all judging to the Son... (John 5:22 CLNT). Did He mean He carried out the "cranky" disposition of the Father, or is there another narrative that we need to find to interpret this passage?

Listen and be encouraged as to who God really is, and how Jesus carried out the Father's judgment of justice and love in conciliating mankind back to Himself.

 

Notes

Movie: National Treasure, with Nicolas Cage.

 

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We all have or had situations in our families or workplace that are difficult to resolve. We often do not know what to do or if we should even get involved. Dennis and David discuss how Jesus faced situations by simply declaring, "The Son cannot be doing anything of Himself if it is not what He should be observing the Father doing,.." (Jn. 5:19 CLNT). How do we practice this perspective and be aware of what Father God is doing in our circumstances, and save the frustration of trying to perform on our own? We invite you to watch or listen, and perhaps respond with your own experiences.

 

Notes

Henry Blackaby, Experiencing God

Wayne Jacobsen, He Loves Me

 

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Can science and the Bible agree on things like the age of the earth or the genetic origins of man? How can different conclusions or preferences ever be reconciled? In this episode, we discuss this dilemma illustrated in a symposium with Francis Collins and NT Wright, two of the brightest minds in science and theology. These two men have found the answer - it begins with Jesus. Listen or watch how starting with Jesus, the Truth, unfolds many mysteries or contradictions in life.

 

Notes

Francis Collins and N. T. Wright: Evolution, Truth and the Case for God  https://youtu.be/QxZn5GDjp2g?si=kz1W0STQLl59yZYI

John 5:19, 30

E.W. Kenyon Reveals the Mystery of Identification | You Are One With Christ (Life-Changing Truth)

 

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David Fulton joins Dennis in this episode, and having just gotten his copy of the book Just Love offers his impressions. David expressed appreciation for how the book aligns with our discussions about transformation and internal change, rather than external performance. The conversation examined how many prominent Christian leaders and movements from the past have declined or disappeared, leading to reflections on what truly endures in faith beyond temporary buildings and organizations. They discussed the importance of focusing on knowing Jesus, rather than just following religious doctrines or attending church services, emphasizing that genuine faith involves a personal union with Jesus.

 

Notes

NT Wright - Ephesians

EW Kenyon - YouTube

Jacobsen, Van Der Westhuizen - Just Love 

 

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In this episode, Dennis and Arnold continue to discuss Wayne Jacobson's new book "Just Love," which explores how the concept of righteousness in the Bible has been misinterpreted and should be understood more as justice or just love. They discussed how understanding God's love through Jesus helps people navigate difficult situations and relationships, rather than relying on legalistic principles. The conversation covered how living in sync with God's love affects personal relationships and societal issues, including the challenges of implementing justice and love in human systems. Learn why Jesus is the perfect revelation of God's love and the key to understanding how to live justly and lovingly in an unjust world.

 

NOTES

Beatles' song  "Imagine"

 

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Our conversation in this edition of The Jesus Conversation Podcast focused on discussing the book Just Love by Wayne Jacobson and Tobie van der Westhuizen, which proposes replacing the word "righteousness" with "justice" in our Bibles. Dennis, Arnold, and David explored how this shift in translation could transform Christianity from a fear-based, performance-oriented system to one based on love, fairness, and genuine relationship with God. We encourage everyone to read this eye-opening book.

 

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Our culture today emphasizes being someone who they think you should be, but simultaneously trying not to be better than others. It is a conflicting narrative, especially in educating the next generation. What does God say? Be who you are in Jesus, and let Him transform your life.

Our group returns from several weeks off to enter another conversation on what it means to live with Jesus in us and we in Him. We hope you will be encouraged to be who you are in Him.

 

Podcast notes:

Gal.1:24; Col. 1:27; Jn. 14:20

The Hidden Truth About “Christ in You” That Few Preach | E.W. Kenyon Teachings

Millions Left the Church — What They’re Turning To Instead - YouTube

Just Love, by Wayne Jacobsen, Tobie van der Westhuizen,

The Church Jesus is Building | Lifestream | Wayne Jacobsen

Ephesians, NT Wright

 

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